Atheism and Atheist

the rejection of religion, and nothing else.

religion is mostly in the bronze age.. other than mormon and scientology, invented recently

https://evolutionnews.org/2021/10/stuck-in-the-late-19th-century-andrew-klavan-stephen-meyer-on-scientific-atheism/Atheism Is “Stuck in the Late 19th Century” | Evolution NewsDarwin, Marx, and Freud are largely responsible for elaborating the outlook that sought to replace the Western theistic view.evolutionnews.org

if atheism is stuck in last century it is because of spokesman and spokesmen

because it is not just for white heterosexual men – who zero sum with religion, without being an ally to those religion harms

https://mindmatters.ai/2021/09/atheist-spokesman-matt-dillahunty-refuses-to-debate-me-again/Atheist Spokesman Matt Dillahunty Refuses To Debate Me Again | Mind MattersFor millennia, theists have thought meticulously about God’s existence. New Atheists merely deny any need to make a case. That’s partly why I dumped atheism.mindmatters.ai

What atheists can learn from the gay rights movement – The …https://www.washingtonpost.com › on-faith › 2013/04/03Apr. 3, 2013 — How did homosexuality shift in public opinion from less respectable than atheism to more? And what can the atheist movement learn from the LGBT …
Atheists can be homophobic and sexist, too – Religion News …https://religionnews.com › 2014/03/10 › atheists-can-ho…
Mar. 10, 2014 — This week, the rights of women and LGBTQ (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and queer) people have been a big topic of discussion in the …

Meeting in the middle on religious and LGBTQ rights – Deseret …https://www.deseret.com › meeting-in-the-middle-religi…May 4, 2021 — Jonathan Rauch believes there is a way to protect religious freedom and LGBTQ rights. He’d like Congress to work to find balance between the …
Lesbian author brings a smile to her atheism – Bay Area …https://www.ebar.com › news › books
Oct. 17, 2018 — Recently, she has written a self-published book, “Queer Disbelief: Why LGBTQ Equality Is an Atheist Issue,” available on Amazon. In the book …
Atheism, Gender, and Sexuality – Oxford Handbooks Onlinehttps://www.oxfordhandbooks.com › view › oxfordhb
by ME Brewster · Cited by 30 — Moreover, data about atheism and religiosity amongst lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, or queer (LGBTQ) groups is presented. Findings regarding rates of …Missing: learn ‎| Must include: learn

Alex C

Of course they can. One has no bearing at all on the other. I’m not sure I understand why we even need an article.

nina
because religion is the easy go to reason and it is clearly not the only part of the heterosexual mostly ,but male caused problems of male vs males, which then women are the battleground for heterosexual men and as recent years have made pointed clear gay and bisexual men supporting transwomen vs lesbians…. we need to go beyond the obvious to the full span of a problem before it can be resolved.

it has gotten so bad for women that there has been a transwomen saying that trans activists went too far and there should have been more consultation before taking over women’s groups and failing to recognize women’s reality.

after decades of lawsuits against women’s groups and lesbian groups…. from women’s prisons to rape/crisis centres, to women’s centres to lesbian not for public access events and spaces

the harms have been done

when transwomen object to language that describes women, that is the hate speech against women

trans persons complain that they are fetishized as they cotton ceiling fetishize lesbians then call others bigots who are not attracted to trans – meaning they are no different than heterosexual incels

admitting to unreasonableness and repeating what women have been saying does not confer reasonableness – there was no call to stop sexually harassing lesbians and cease the terf slur. this is a we went to far and attempt to roll back when damage has been done – not only to individual women, but women’s organizations as well. transwomen were not allies with women for mutial protection from hetersexual male violence, transwomen went after women’s groups and especially lesbians with decades of sexual fetish being expressed as the name calling and taking over our dyke march, kicking lesbians out of pride and other lgbt organizations and also for heterosexual women’s groups, where women of the 1970s are trash talked for taking care of heterosexual women and not transvestites

this is where sounding reasonable is not actually reasonable, without acknowledgement of harms done and stepping back across the lines crossed, not negotiating from where the too far was.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/opinion-trans-rights-radical-activism-1.6220106Trans rights? Yes. Toxic, in-your-face activism? No | CBC NewsConflicts between transgender and women’s rights do exist, but that doesn’t mean we should censor discussion and debate, writes Jessica Triff.www.cbc.ca

this is the website for the Vancouver based trans organization that is fixated on lesbians rather than dealing with trans safety from heterosexual males

it is good to know what the talking points are to challenge and dismiss them as unprovable and not relevant to the majority of the population

transgender are no different from heterosexual incels who complain women do not date them

if you look at the site, the word “colonialism” is used, which is overreach and easy word to throw around to make white heterosexuals more on the political left yield, and it follows all the other name calling towards those who are not dating trans persons – rather than trans addressing the crimes against lgbtq2 and heterosexual women.

https://noterfsnoswerfs.com/Coalition Against Trans Antagonism | NO TERFS, NO SWERFS, NO FASCISTSNO TERFS, NO SWERFS, NO FASCISTSnoterfsnoswerfs.com

What do you call….an(d) answer

What do you call a religion that has no theology, it’s based on logic, reason and science and promotes individual thinking and needs you to question everything, and it’s moral code is based on common sense of doing what’s right Without Blindly Following a law, rule, a creed or dogma, or a tradition, or a religious and or political ideology and no need to gather in a tax exempt building once a week to pass the basket and listening to a con artist speaker or preacher who only care how much money he or she could make from you or some naïve, gullible, uneducated sheep minded people still following a dark age book written by some con men to fool the fools who believe them without question but with great devotion?

Alex Blue (Gay Man escaped Muslim nation owing to atheism in Canada)

Nina:

no idea. because atheist is the rejection of religion and nothing else.

Alex:

I call it: Non Delusional. 😁

Nina:


that is so good I did laugh out loud… that was brilliant Alex.

Alex

Thank you Nina ❤

Nina

you are kindly welcome I really needed that laugh.

we have to be alert this Canada election 2021 to the “conscious rights” that doctors are claiming to refuse abortion services – a new way to say religious rights or freedom of religion, when ideas do not have rights unless they are patentable… and that gives a person rights twice.. so we need to co-ordinate messages in our respective spheres of influence

because trans are trying the same thing and it is gaslighting to tell anyone to ignore their own perceptions and as a lesbian being called a terf while no one is paying attention to the fetish cotton ceiling or noticing the appalling terminology being used in the LGBT literature of front hole and back hole. as if women would describe our own bodies that very penis reference manner..

no one has to right to walk up to anyone and say you have to date me or you are bigot or start talking about genitals, which is the core of the trans dating debate.. which at the end of the planet, when children are soldiers and mass disasters.. who dates transgender is not in the top 1000 concerns. and as a lesbian on the concern about dating, I am very concerned lesbians and even heterosexual men are being told they do not have a no… finally something lesbians and straight men do have in common, but homophobia and transphobia are the hetero men’s words to make their having assaulted, raped and murdered reasonable. whereas, for lesbians, saying no individually is exhausting so it needs to be said as a demographic.

that religion and transgender theory may not be questioned, means they may be dismissed without debate.

that is not how reality, nor academia works

and co-opting intersectionality of ethnicity for genitals

and saying diversity while defining words to include the opposite

is to end the meaning of words, not expand them

and no person is obligated to ignore their own senses and knowledge on behalf of another, especially a stranger with no positive reason to be self identifying into a demographic defined most understandably to any person as not involving a penis, regardless of how the person refers to or names it.

Lesbians are not nonmen who are attracted to other non men

nor are lesbians heterosexual men in women’s bodies

and doctors can only observe and record what is measureable

doctors do not assign, unless there has been some question of what was observed or an accidental mutilation and cover up, as in documented cases of doctors using patients to make names for the doctors to name things

if a person lives in a nation where human rights, which include responsibility

then no one has any right to redefine words or call you named and accuse you of bigtory for not dating a person who does not appeal to you

any more than you will have a bad time after death if you do not obey a religious concept of how to behave depending on your gender

which, gender is your biologicial sex, owing to be homo sapiens, a sexually reproducing species

with bisexuals enjoying both

gay men and lesbians enjoying one

and persons who are trans, have pansexuals and fetishizers

while all women

from hetero to bisexual to pansexual and especially lesbians

have male fetishizers, and cotton ceiling is the confession of denying lesbians human rights, including forming a demographic on shared characteristics

which those clothes from heterosexual from a lesbian perspective, do not.

as individuals and as a demographic, being an ally means respecting boundaries where human rights gets to define them: no to a date

and responding to no with name calling, debates and redefining words

accusations of bigotry

is more than a red flag, and reveals the exact relationship being demanded

and bizarrely supported by adults who should know better

especially in a kink aware community, even if not kinky.

if there is not a not to a date, then there is not a no to sex

and consent requires informed and if there is no

no to a date nor to sex, then there is no safeword

which, to religion, atheist is

and to keep oneself who is at rape risk, no to a date is supposed to be safe to say

otherwise, no women has rights to self determination

june 10 for lgbtq2

1865

Richard Wagner’s “Tristan and Isolde” premiered in Munich, Germany.


Siegfried Wagner – Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Siegfried_Wagner

Siegfried Helferich Richard Wagner (6 June 1869 – 4 August 1930) was a German composer … Harden accused several public figures, most notably Philipp, Prince of Eulenburg-Hertefeld, a friend of Kaiser Wilhelm II, of homosexuality.
How Forbidden Love Benefited Opera | Psychology Today …www.psychologytoday.com › blog › checkpoints › ho…

Sep. 27, 2019 — Yet, his infatuation for Richard Wagner is perhaps most intriguing. Wagner was certainly not gay, having happily carried on a decade-long affair …
Is Richard Wagner Simultaneously the Most Controversial and …pitchfork.com › alex-ross-wagnerism-book-interview

Sep. 16, 2020 — “Do gay people care about Richard Wagner?” The woman … Wagner, who died in 1883, was one of Hitler’s favorite composers. His “Rienzi” …

1922

Born on this day, Judy Garland, singer, actress. Played Dorothy in the 1939 film ‘Wizard Of Oz’ sang ‘Over The Rainbow’ in the film, 1961 US No.1 comeback album ‘Judy At Carnegie Hall’. ‘Over The Rainbow’ was voted the ‘Song Of The Century’ in a 2001 poll published in America. She died June 22nd 1969 of a barbiturate overdose.

In gay slang, a “friend of Dorothy” (FOD) is a gay man; and more broadly, any LGBTQ person. Stating that, or asking if, someone was a friend of Dorothy was a euphemism used for discussing sexual orientation without others knowing its meaning.
Friend of Dorothy – Wikipedia

1925

Tennessee officials approved state public school use of a new biology text book that denied the theory of evolution.

1978

Olivia Newton-John and John Travolta teamed up to take “You’re The One That I Want” to the top of the Billboard chart. In the UK, the record would be number one for nine weeks.

1988

George Michael played the first of 6 sold-out nights at Earls Court in London, England, during his 137-date Faith World Tour. Tickets cost £14.50 ($25) and £12.50 ($21.25).

1989

Madonna’s ‘Express Yourself’, became her 18th UK Top 5 hit, a new record for a female artist.

Bette Midler achieves her only US number one record when “Wind Beneath My Wings” topped the Billboard chart. Although the song would only stay on top for a week, it would win Grammy Awards for Song Of The Year and Record Of The Year.

1993

Irish singer Sinead O’Connor took out a full-page ad in the Irish Times asking the public to “stop hurting me please.” She blamed her troubles on abuse she suffered as a child. O’Connor was still being criticized for ripping up a picture of the Pope during an appearance on Saturday Night Live the previous October.

2009

The daughter of Cher and Sonny Bono, Chastity was set to undergoing a gender change shortly after Bono’s 40th birthday in March and more than a decade after having come out as a lesbian.

2020
Taking a stand in the tragic death of George Floyd, the only daughter of Elvis, Lisa Marie Presley, showed her support of people of color: Lisa Marie Presley Supports #BlackOutTuesday in Solidarity

2021

Discrimination continues despite rights won at courts

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/almost-half-of-lgb-professionals-experience-discrimination-at-work-and-its-even-worse-for-people-of-color-11623350297Almost half of LGB professionals experience discrimination at work — and it’s even worse for people of color – MarketWatchBlack LGB professionals ‘experience the most intense discrimination based on their sexual orientation,’ a new report says.www.marketwatch.com

trans rights are going beyond housing, employment and participation in the public square – and are now in conflict with the protections gained by women owing to biology based oppression over human history across all cultures

and concerningly, removing language from government, medical and therapy which is used by women to describe women’s own gender experience and sexuality expression.

https://www.economist.com/europe/2021/06/12/continental-europe-enters-the-gender-warsContinental Europe enters the gender warsGermany and Spain reject laws on gender self-identification | Europewww.economist.com

unless this includes lesbians and gay men and bisexuals not dating transperson, this is not affirming of all identities

which, gay man and lesbian are same gender attracted – so, for these identities: transpersons are clothes away from heterosexual sex, which gay and lesbian sexuality is distinct from

the bisexual and pansexual bickering has to stop too

along with the recognition of transgender as a diagnosis

while nonbinary and androgenous are culture role rejecting personal expression

https://www.businessinsider.in/advertising/ad-agencies/news/to-normalise-acceptance-of-all-identities-and-pronoun-sharing-vmlyr-launches-a-new-website-with-vibrant-virtual-backgrounds-for-all-cis-transgender-and-non-binary-individuals/articleshow/83366440.cmsTo normalise acceptance of all identities and pronoun sharing, VMLY&R launches a new website with vibrant virtual backgrounds for all cis, transgender and non-binary individuals | Business Insider IndiaSharing and asking for correct pronouns is an act of better allyship. VMLY&R takes a step forward towards acceptance by launching a new website that offerswww.businessinsider.in

https://ew.com/tv/loki-gender-fluid-tom-hiddleston-teaser/Loki director confirms gender-fluidity of Tom Hiddleston’s trickster | EW.com‘Loki’ director says it was ‘important’ to make character’s gender-fluidity canon in the MCU.ew.com

just let that headline sink in…. Gender fluid trickster….

June 7 for lgbtq2

June 7, 1965

The USA Supreme Court handed down a decision that legalized the use of contraception by married couples.

1971
The U.S. Supreme Court overturned Paul Cohen’s disturbing the peace conviction in Los Angeles , by wearing a jacket displaying “Fuck the Draft” in the public corridors of a California courthouse.
establishing the precedent that vulgar writing is protected under the First Amendment of the Constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohen_v._California

1975

Elton John’s album Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy, which came in #85 in the Top 100 Albums of All-Time in the Rock Era*, had been released this week and debuted at #1, the first album in history to accomplish the feat and one of a select few in the Rock Era.  Elton toppled Earth, Wind & Fire’s album That’s the Way of the World while the Soundtrack to “Tommy” fell to #3.  Jeff Beck was #4 with Blow By Blow and America reached #5 with Hearts“.  The rest of the Top 10:  Alice Cooper with Welcome To My NightmareChicago VIII was at #7, Bad Company fell to #8 with Straight ShooterNuthin’ Fancy from Lynyrd Skynyrd was #9 and Carly Simon had the #10 album with Playing Possum.

1980

“The Rose” spent a fifth week at #1 for Bette Midler on the Adult Contemporary chart.

1980

Elton John’s 29th career hit “Little Jeannie” was #10

1986

Madonna had the new #1 with “Live To Tell” but it would be short-lived as Patti LaBelle & Michael McDonald’s “On My Own” was closing fast.  Whitney Houston fell to 3 after three weeks at #1 with “Greatest Love Of All”.

The album Whitney Houston spent its 11th week at #1 and 36th in the Top 10 and 63rd week on the Album chart.

1987

David Bowie played a concert in West Berlin in front of the Reichstag with the speakers pointing towards the nearby Berlin Wall where thousands of young East Berliners stood and listened.

1993

Prince changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol (

The Artist

).  (from the name “The Artist formerly Known as Prince) – the symbol being a combination of the Male/female ones – and also used for transgender.  The name change reflected an ongoing battle with Warner Brothers Records over ownership and direction of his music.

2000

The “Prince: A Celebration” party began at Paisley Park Studios. The weeklong event was in celebration of The Artist reclaiming his name “Prince” after a 7-year battle with Warner Brothers.

2009

Elton John’s musical Billy Elliot won 10 Tony Awards, including Best Musical.

2020

Grease: John Travolta and Olivia Newton-John Reflect on THAT Finale Reveal | rETroET spoke with the cast of ‘Grease’ about turning the hit Broadway musical into a cinema classic. John Travolta reveals who else was considered to portray Sandy, and why he knew Olivia Newton-John was the only person for the role. ‘Grease Sing-a-Long’ will air June 7 at 8:30 p.m. ET/PT on CBS.

Exclusives from #ETonline :
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQwITQ__CeH2Y_7g2xeiNDa0vQsROQQgv

2021

https://theindependent.ca/journalism/why-st-johns-pride-banned-uniformed-police/Why St. John’s Pride Banned Uniformed Police — The IndependentWhy St. John’s Pride Banned Uniformed Policetheindependent.ca

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jun/06/stonewall-risks-all-it-has-fought-for-in-accusing-those-who-disagree-with-it-of-hate-speechStonewall risks all it has fought for in accusing those who disagree with it of hate speech | Sonia Sodha | The GuardianThe charity has forgotten that true power lies in solidarity and compromisewww.theguardian.com

gender critical feminists are women.. so siding against women is being against women.

Cotton Ceiling is a transwomen admission of hate crime against lesbians

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/06/07/gender-critical-feminism-far-right-agenda-institute-race-relations-trans-transphobia/There’s a alarming link between ‘gender-critical’ feminism and the far-rightThe anti-trans arguments made by ‘gender critical’ feminists risk enforcing heterosexual norms, the Institute of Race Relations has warned.www.pinknews.co.uk

https://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/books/ct-books-biblioracle-0613-20210607-wltdlmxncngchgejxa43ifgcbe-story.htmlOpinion: Roxane Gay Books — a model for publishing industry – Chicago TribuneGrove Atlantic’s recent announcement to launch Roxane Gay Books to help foster and promote underrepresented writers is a good first step forward — and is a model that could be replicated by other publishers, writes Biblioracle columnist John Warner.www.chicagotribune.com

https://www.espn.com/soccer/concacaf-nations-league/story/4401690/usmnt-mexico-nations-league-final-halted-for-anti-gay-chant-by-fansUSMNT-Mexico Nations League final halted for anti-gay chant by fansThe CONCACAF Nations League final between the United States and Mexico was marred by unruly fan behavior.www.espn.com

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/books/review/ravenous-sam-apple.htmlHow Did a Gay Scientist of Jewish Descent Thrive Under the Nazis? – The New York TimesIn “Ravenous,” Sam Apple tells the story of a researcher who was able to carry out his groundbreaking work on cancer cells even in the middle of World War II.www.nytimes.com

https://thetab.com/uk/2021/06/07/dont-act-straight-when-youre-gay-tiktok-sound-208638What is the “don’t act straight when you’re gay!” sound all over TikTok rn?The “don’t look at me like that, don’t act straight when you’re gay” sound is all over TikTok right now, but where is it from originally?thetab.com

https://www.nme.com/news/music/rob-halford-looks-back-on-coming-out-as-gay-on-mtv-its-a-glorious-moment-2962447Judas Priest’s Rob Halford looks back on coming out as gay on MTVJudas Priest’s Rob Halford has marked Pride month by reflecting on the moment he came out as gay on television.www.nme.com

https://www.vice.com/en/article/4av3jb/chiles-conservative-president-suddenly-supports-gay-marriage-activists-say-its-pinkwashingChile’s Conservative President Suddenly Supports Gay Marriage. Activists Say It’s ‘Pinkwashing.’The country’s LGBTQ community cautiously welcomed the move from President Sebastian Piñera, but many suspect it is a bid for popularity and question whether he will act on his words.www.vice.com

https://www.metroweekly.com/2021/06/chick-fil-a-wont-stop-funding-anti-gay-causes-so-burger-king-is-stepping-in-to-help/Chick-fil-A won’t stop funding anti-gay causes, so Burger King is stepping in to helpBurger King’s Ch’King sandwich will help fund LGBTQ equality to counter Chick-fil-A CEO Dan Cathy’s support for anti-LGBTQ causeswww.metroweekly.com

denying access to material is censorship.

from the article:

Carmel Farahbakhsh, who goes by the pronouns they/them, said they understand that the libraries do not want to engage in censorship and does agree with that.

“I do not want to tell the person who wrote this book that they cannot publish. But I do want to have a community-centered space…taking a stance to protect marginalized voices and say that they’re not going to carry it,” they said.

LGB Alliance is a British charity that advocates for the rights of lesbians, gays, and bisexuals. Its exclusion of transgender and nonbinary communities from its advocacy angers many groups focused on LGBTQ issues, a consortium of which recently challenged the alliance’s charitable status. They accuse LGB Alliance of being transphobic and having links to the U.S. Christian right, VICE reports.

LGB Alliance denies both accusations. They assert that lesbians, gays and bisexuals have “specific concerns” that differ from transgender people, and that it’s “unhelpful” for them to work together.

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/twitter-verifies-transphobic-group/LGBTQ advocates outraged Twitter verified a transphobic group during PrideLGBTQ advocates slam Twitter for verifying the account of LGB Alliance, a British charity they say is transphobic.www.dailydot.com

In which a Lesbian and a Gay Man discuss “women”

Gay Man posts:

Women are their own worse enemies than just men:
As long as women bash other women and men, there will be no equal rights for women.

It’s bad enough that men judge women and ridicule or mock them; but when other women do it, it’s a slap on the face in the worse manner ever. Women need to stand with their fellow women and say enough is enough.

So as a woman, would you support a woman who gets a raise more than you? Is more beautiful than you? Or a woman who wears clothing, that’s revealing? Who is your boss? A woman who wants to be a President or Prime Minister? If so, then why no women have been elected? When will women get their human rights? Never?

Time to grow up!

Lesbian replies:

not quite. women had centuries of no rights and our only life occupation was to attach to a man. women undermining women from the oppressed state and not empowering each other is not the same as male oppression. … victims who call out oppressors are not bashing. men, hetero men are still the main criminals, rapists murderer and oppressors – starting with other men and then women, so …
I am wondering what made you, as a gay man, call out women on the carpet so to speak?

Gay Man

Because women need support, if not from men, at least from women. If that’s even possible.

Lesbian

yes, I agree women do need to support women, and I am still wondering what inspired this post. women who compete for men rarely support each other…

the best thing men can do to support women is deal with the men who harm and harass women and not do the ‘but I am a good guy” who is a bystander seeking validation for nothing

women for women, do help and empower women.

Gay Man

Exactly. On Facebook, they made fun of me when I posted this. What’s wrong with people? Lol

Lesbian

and, women are not generally raping and murdering other women. so the threat from men is greater than the threat of other women, with rare exception.

well. in queerdom there is an issue because “transwomen” are telling lesbians we do not get a no to a date request without being debated, words redefined and name called. so that is rape culture and not what women do.

lesbians do not have penises nor do lesbians have sex with a person who has a penis. men need to understand the word no and that not everything is for or about them and their self image is their own and others are not required to validate that any more than respect religion

and it does not help that bisexual women are behaving in the same hetero male manner.

Gay Man

Can you rewight my post; maybe I wrote it wrong. You are way better at this than I am. ❤

Lesbian

the intention of what you wrote was there, but the emphasis of starting with women on women without the context of male on women first. I can rework that one paragraph – and I would like to put this on my blog.

I will work on this and get back to you with a paragraph

this morning when I woke my, I realized that the Ultimate Femist Joke is transwomen name calling lesbians for saying no.

gay man

You are the best. ❤💕

Later in the day

Lesbian

okay, the reason you had a bad reaction is that it is ambiguous which group of women you are saying should be supporting with the word woman being fought over as to type of word and what nuances are included

the chant of “biphobia, transphobia, sex work phobia and islamophobia” in one breath on the subject of lesbians and who lesbians date is word salad.

Islam is a religion that oppresses and genocides LGBTQ2 globally and oppresses heterosexual women.

Sex work is a human trafficking exploitation global problem and not a middle class internet side hustle; it is horrific child, teen and adult persons and primarily the female gender.

and as for “biphobia and transphobia” which are separate dating choices, which are sequenced in particular order for escalating degree by the fourth separate data claim is stupidifying and leaves one not knowing where to start to respond.

and to which has to be said, what kind of women tell other women, in particular lesbians, who they cannot refuse to date/have sex with, and reject a no with name calling, bulling, words being redefined in no relation to lesbian, and threats of career loss and exclusion from LGBT, on a matter of personal choice arising from preference which are not subject to human rights claims nor other people’s value judgements.

and brush aside the actual experience of women and tell lesbians that a penis is a vagina, when lesbians are the vagina experts of all women.

and same for some bisexuals who are not transphobic who are not pansexuals.

Dating consent is predicated on informed consent and being denied a no to a date is a violation of Lesbian human rights of freedom of choice and expression. real humans, of any demographics, do not support rape culture.

And, just as atheist’s do not have to revere or respect the content of the belief that religions are, no other person is required to override their own senses and beliefs in favor of a belief another person’s mind, such as transgender.

Nor date a bisexual who does not have the same sexuality as lesbian, and each person is able to decide on monogamy or poly, and how much compatibility there is and degree of difference will vary across indivudals, but generally lesbians are interested in lesbians.

lesbians get to be, the same way gay men get to be interested in other gay men

further, the murders by heteromen are not the fault or responsibility of lesbians or bisexuals or pansexuals, who are also at risk from that same demographic as well as transwomen unable to accept a no or respect that others have a right to a no.

The question to be asked is why are transwomen trying to date lesbians at all, when pansexuals and other trans exist? this is male fetishizing women and fixating on the women who are entitled to be repulsed by the male behaviour and genitals, and which dick behaviour is ignoring a no, name calling, debating, with transwomen sounding no different than hetero men who first claim all women are bisexual and the to be lesbians, to put a social context on textbook narcissism and gaslighting

– which is taking away rights and freedoms from lesbians under pressure by not lesbians and dividing lesbians between those who lesbian and those who do not want to be called names. supporting women does not mean excluding or silencing lesbians in public, in professions or personally

bathrooms and elevators are the most dangerous places and all women’s bathrooms were created for the safety of the most vulnerable, and while not all transwomen are dangerous predators, the ability of men to now claim woman status does in face allow heterosexual men to claim to be transwomen, which claim is a matter of internal image, which others do not have to share at their own senses, nor at public or women’s saftey.

there is that full explanation, or there is this:

Telling lesbians that a penis is a vagina, until you realize that lesbians are vagina experts.

gay man

I’m so bad at these women’s rights. I can’t even write a post or an article. I’m not an expert at conveying my thoughts as well as you. You are way better at it than I am.

lesbian

other people were projecting their own talking points at you Alex. I read what you wrote and saw all the interpretations. and this discussion is so toxic right now because transwomen are zerosumming and defining words and using false comparisons and behaving as incel versions of religious zealots.

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that lesbians are getting the brunt of the trans backlash is lost on bisexuals and gay men seem to be realizing as they are not under the date transmen, transmen continue to be deemed lesbians.

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so. you asked a lesbian which is the best thing to do to get good about women’s rights. because no man, whatever demographics or identy, gets to define womens rights.

lesbian

“cotton ceiling” is a pornography term for lesbian panties in shedick and shecock porn.. let that sink in.

only human rights require respect, dating not including for attempts to void human rights of lesbians, and women’s biology and experience, in the public and bizarrely the medical and therapy industry.

given, gives pause and concern that there may well be a reason to fear trans to disagreement with, whereas to be phobic of a group of people is what heterosexual men claim as a defence to murder.

Disinterest and not attracted to in the social or dating sphere, is not phobic.

nor is it bigotry, is it not attracted to.

plus consent requires informed. Trans status does have to be disclosed, given lesbians do not have penises, nor enjoy or seek sex with penises on any other person, regardless of self identity, which does not supercede the perception of others, who may reject any offer, not attracted and repulsed by, owing to both responses informing preferences. 

ignoring the clear preferences of others, and signs of not interested in eye contact or what you are saying as you are explaining why they do not get to know what gentials you are offering for sex as a hook up or as a date for is a sign of not into you, regardless of whatever you are.

telling others what words mean and that they are bigots is not the discussion that leads to consent for hook ups or dating, and is a clear and obvious pattern of language that should be understood as abusive to the person being told they do not have a no.

even if a person agrees to a date and agrees to sex, at any point, sex can be stopped and consent withdrawn.

even if the gentials are born female but especially for a born female with a born male partner who is sperm producing, owing to the sex having potenial consequences other than a one time sex or one time date.

pregancy, in an era where abortion rights are at high level court risk, for

women

a word once understood only has Heterosexual woman without that word needing to be said for woman for for man.

as wel as very legitimately, sexually transmitted diseases

never mind being for lesbians of all women, an unappealing, uninteresting and mostly revulsive genitals that there is an absolute no to put mouth, hands or own gentials against, and could not be further from lesbian sex to the degree that anyone who is unable to look online and see examples of, lesbians do not have penises nor sex with penises.

there is no feminist nor lesbian feminist theory that is derived from phallo centric, be it penis or she dick or she cock

i seriously do not want to risk wordpress turning those last two into links to images.

feminism is the theory that women are equal and lesbianism is the practice, because in couples/poly geometry we are. cunning linguists who do not zero sum.

being called names after saying no, validates the no, not the asker

social relationships, do the math.

the thing about lesbians

i am concerned the new generation of LGBTQ2 is doing a chant of transphobia/biphobia/sex worker phobia and islamophophobia all in one breath and without any analysis of each issue or understanding that these are not entirely related issues arising from patriarchy

that islam is genociding lgbt2 and against sex work – which is not a middle class side hustle, but a global problem of human trafficking and that bi/pan and trans women who are unable to accept a no without name calling to dating are behaving like the hetero incels, who , insult ,assault, rape and murder because they are unable to behavior in a dating positive manner .

in 2019, I attended a Vancouver BC Canada Dyke March Town Hall about trans inclusion organized by trans, and while the meeting had no agenda, there was one.

to speak only about the dangers faced by trans, as if no other group was under the same threat of assault rape and murder by white supremists,

the meeting did not allow any time for issues of ethnicity, despite attendees who were there to speak to, and included a heterosexual couple who claimed to be lesbians and who advocated violence against the police who were being hired to stand between the marchers and the white supremists

and included a half naked man wearing a naked barbie doll as a necklace like a truck mud flap who told women to play with their nipples during the day, which is sexual harassment –

lesbians and dykes are at risk of harm by hetero men we do not court and under pressure to date under threat of name calling, those we are not attracted to in a battle over words and across world views that differ and absent of understanding human rights in public are one thing and dating is a personal choice not subject to a vote. or decided by one person for another.

so..

the thing about being a lesbian is that others do not define lesbian labels. words or phrases or decide for lesbians and especially not ignore, treat causally or reject a no.

it is harassment and potentially criminal when hetero men respond to a no with insults, assaults, rape and murder, and it is not okay for women who are bisexual, pan, omni or trans to tell any women, particularly lesbians, that a no is bigotry and not allowed, rather than accept not attracted to and respect the person one presumes to be interested in.

phobia is a violent reaction, while no is disinterested, it is different from bigotry.

not heteros, not homosexuals. Lesbians are lesbians, same gender and sexuality attraction in one complete word.

indeed. human rights are for the public square

dating is for sex selection and a personal choice, for which, there is a no.

without insult, assault, rape or murder.

bad when males deny that and worse when other women do.

even this article avoids saying lesbians love vagina. so why would a lesbian be with any thing else?

the idea that a lesbian would not partner with a transwoman who can not have a child is beyond foolish on it’s face..

https://www.curvemag.com/blog/transgender/the-often-misunderstood-premise-of-the-cotton-ceiling/The Often Misunderstood Premise Of The Cotton Ceiling – CURVECassie Brighter focuses her writing on intersectional feminism.www.curvemag.com

Okay. : not attracted to is not bigotry or bias.

it is not attracted to the person’s physicality or mental energy.

being called phobic of bisexual, pan and trans is foolish on it’s face.

Lesbians are not murdering other women for not being lesbians

we are pro lesbian and want to date other same expression lesbians

and no one gets to put labels on or take labels away

Lesbian is not an umbrella term

we are lesbians or dykes, not homosexuals.

the decade of coming out matters when legal status has changed

and many terms are last century specific

https://medium.com/@mirandayardley/girl-dick-the-cotton-ceiling-and-the-cultural-war-on-lesbians-and-women-c323b4789368Girl Dick, the Cotton Ceiling and the Cultural War on Lesbians and WomenThe Cotton Ceiling, coined by a male “lesbian” pornographer, refers to the barrier trans women face when denied access to sex with…medium.com

The Terf Turf “Discussion”

one is redundant, the others; communication skill

1 A cunning linguist is an individual who is skilled at communicating and orally speaking

2 A cunning linguist is an individual who is skilled at communicating and oral

3 lesbian

Heteros who insult, assault, rape and murder LGBTQ2 and also hetero women, btw, are the ones who are phobic.

Not being attracted to is not the same as being a bigot.

this is phobia.

not dating people from other letter groups is not phobic.

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/05/14/oregon-house-representatives-lgbt-gay-trans-panic-defence/Ban on abhorrent gay and trans panic defence unanimously passed by OregonThe Oregon House of Representatives unanimously passed a measure that bans the gay and trans panic defence in legal proceedings.www.pinknews.co.uk

Hetero men who name called when refused dates are bad behaviour and any women who denies lesbians or any person a no on a date – which is a personal choice, and not a human rights issue – is part of the problem of dating.

to each person preference of desire and to the choice of sexual selection and intimate relations

Lesbians helped heterowomen get reproductive and workplace rights and then they went off and enjoyed those… then there was AIDs….. and now… this:

*article quotes*

However, our findings throw up several questions:

Who is on the wrong side of history when the GBT community operates a large-scale gaslighting of lesbians to accept the mantra that “trans women are women”; penises are deemed to be a female organ; and heterosexual intercourse is now redefined as a lesbian sexual practice?
Who is on the wrong side of history when the GBT community uncritically supports a population of transwomen who identify as lesbians to coerce lesbians into having sex with transwomen against their will?
Who is on the wrong side of history when lesbians’ sexual boundaries are disrespected and publicly demonised as hateful by the very charities whose purpose it is to defend them?
Who are the GBT organisations protecting by refusing to engage with lesbians’ very serious concerns?
Major gay, bisexual and trans organisations such as Stonewall and Pride in London should hang their heads in shame for ignoring our rights.

https://news.trust.org/item/20190412100802-6md1q/Lesbians need to get the L out of the LGBT+ communityLesbians are being callednews.trust.org

stop demanding dating as a condition of human rights support

that has to go both ways and to deny a no is to deny rights

lesbians do not expect their lesbian partners to be pregant and if the partner is a transwoman, it is very foolish to expect a lesbian to be sad she cannot get a transwoman pregnant. when the pregancy risk is the other way.

lesbian and gay sex is not procreative sex and that is part of it’s appeal and attraction.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2015/02/cisgender-lesbians-and-trans-women-how-to-mend-the-rift.htmlCisgender lesbians and trans women: How to mend the rift.In theory, our multifaceted, multilettered queer community is all about alliance, solidarity, and mutual support. Though we’ve seen advances in areas…slate.com

https://watermarkonline.com/tag/lesbian-erasure/Lesbian Erasure Archives – Watermark Onlinewatermarkonline.com

Generational change is inevitable, healthy, and necessary to progress. What I am living through right now is a painful transitional moment in which some of those older lesbian institutions are still going strong, and seeking participation and funding, while a current generation of activists are distancing themselves from such events, or even demonstrating against them. Younger, queer activists were vocal in opposing the Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival; right-wing religious groups once eager to shut the festival down had moved on to bigger targets. This dynamic—a next generation of feminists attacking earlier lesbian institutions and disparaging their participants as less evolved—is not unique to the 21st century or the United States; it is embedded in Jill Gardiner’s powerful book From the Closet to the Screen, which describes a 1970–71 Gay Liberation Front “zap” against London’s Gateways Club bar. As this generational shift grinds on, how should the most recent decades of cultural production be interpreted, understood, and preserved? How will we use the tools of history to examine something we know existed as an investigable community?

https://slate.com/human-interest/2016/12/disappearing-lesbians-and-the-need-to-preserve-dyke-culture.htmlDisappearing lesbians and the need to preserve dyke culture.My generation of lesbian activists, who honed our identity politics and confronted racism and classism in the spaces of women’s music events and…slate.com

dear bi, pan and trans women

sometimes bisexual is a portion of a woman’s life and she later lesbians and maybe call me then, see if I am available.

sometimes a person is attracted to a person because they are unclear on their own self and what they are attracted to, that personality of a sexuality and gender person.

so when bisexual women end up with men or are a phase but are not a phase. it is as exhausting as men who say they are women and then dress like women and surgically mutilate their bodies. still not women and do not define lesbian words.

i am attracted to vagina and not interested in a penis or a reverse penis hole that lacks a gspot or cervix and a woman around it.

meanwhile. bisexual and pan women and transwomen are able to date each other, without lesbians having to date outside of our group preference arising from our individual choices and preferences.

I am a lesbian, the word is gender and sexuality in one, seeking the same expression in another lesbian.

Lesbian erasure is the tendency to ignore, remove, falsify, or reexplain evidence of lesbian women or relationships in history, academia, the news media, and other primary sources.

Lesbians may also be ignored within the LGBT community and their identity may not be acknowledged

attraction to someone is not done by debate or framework

it is a physical response and an emotional reaction to the personality

lesbians have no reason to be made to feel that they have to date any person, trans or not and no one should deny anyone a no

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_erasureLesbian erasure – Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org

women are being erased in the medial sphere and in LGBTQ

the words mean specific things and transwomen do not represent the women experience

transwomen are using the same male gaslighting behaviours and then accusing women of anger

when transwomen are getting women’s awards and being positioned as role models

while complaining about the cotton ceiling and fetisizing lesbians

and using the hetero male murdering them as a sympathy ploy

while not dating bisexuals who potentially have attraction to

https://epgn.com/2021/03/10/lesbian-erasure-a-footnote-to-womens-history-month/Lesbian Erasure: A Footnote to Women’s History Month — Philadelphia Gay NewsWomen’s History Month often seems like Erasure of Lesbians Month. Many critically important women in American history past and present were lesbians: Susan B. Anthony, Jane Addams, Dr. Alice Hamilton, Dr. Emily Blackwell, Dr. Sara Josephine Baker, Rachel Carson, Dr. Sally Ride, Barbara Jordan, Pauli Murray, Dr. Ruth Gates, Patrisse Cullors and so many others. […]Show Moreepgn.com

meanwhile

every person gets a yes or not, without a value judgement

https://emjaymurphee.medium.com/why-gay-men-wont-date-trans-men-a6daf1bbd51aWhy (Some) Gay Men Won’t Date TransmenTransphobia doesn’t quite explain itemjaymurphee.medium.com


Gay, bisexual, and queer trans men navigating sexual fieldshttps://journals.sagepub.com › doi › pdf
by AI Scheim · 2019 · Cited by 15 — Trans men are individuals assigned a female sex at birth but who identify as male or masculine. Sexualities. 2019, Vol. 22(4) 566–586 ! The Author(s) 2017. Article …
Sexual Health of Trans Men Who Are Gay, Bisexual, or Who …https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › …
by GR Bauer · 2013 · Cited by 72 — Recent reports have addressed the sexual health of female-to-male transgender or transsexual people who are gay, bisexual, and/or have sex with men (trans …


Primed²: A Sex Guide for Trans Men into Men | CATIE …https://www.catie.ca › resources › primed-sex-guide-tra..

It contains important information about staying sexually, mentally and emotionally safe and healthy. Primed was originally published in 2007 and updated in 2015.
16 Things I Learned From Having Sex With Trans Menhttps://www.advocate.com › sexy-beast › 16-things-i-le…

comments from mewe:

Alex C

I don’t like this modern trend in the community where some are calling others bigots or trsnsphobes for being attracted to just one set of genitals and not the other. I’m sorry, but we aren’t all pansexual or bisexual. Sexual attraction is not just about gender as many would have you believe. It’s also about biological sex and always has been, whether we like it or not. It isn’t fair to label someone a bigot or judge their character for their sexual attractions. Sexual attraction is NOT a choice and never has been. That is a fact that seems to be lost on more and more people in the community these days.

nina
yes. exactly. people with a wider range of attraction do need to stop calling monosexuals bigots for gay or lesbian sexuality.

and there is no reason to be sorry or that canadian as to say it to soften the view you are legit able to hold and express. and that is legit on the face of it

and the idea of removing biology from understanding people is also very bizarre, especially given dating is sexual selection and not a human rights issue.

name calling just validates a no on dating, as it is a major red flag on what a relationship would be. Dating is about attraction to and is selecting for sexual activity and as such, is a personal choice that everyone has a yes or no on, without threat of name calling, assault, rape or murder. Being rejected as a date is not a human rights complaint.

Alex C

Yeah, removing biology is a good way to put it. Some are 100% pan and 0% concerned with any biology or anatomy, and good for them, but we aren’t all like that. I can’t pretend to be pansexual to make that community happy, that would be like asking a straight person to pretend to be gay, and calling them a bigot for not being gay attracted. That’s absurd, and I hope this trend doesn’t stick or it will be very unhealthy for the community.

As a cis gay man I’ve always found the prospect of gay trans men interesting. I sometimes find myself attracted to trans men. Most that I’ve met in person seem to be interested in women though.

nina

I do not use the term cis, it has too many problems with the sissy slur and copting from black culture sounding like sis and. your identity is in your world experience. not other people’s who need other words to make sense of themself.

it is hard to have a conference on women and exclude mensuration, abortion/pregnancy and, menopause as panels and discussion/information.

nor should anyone pretend to be attracted to who they are not or use a label to avoid being name called.

bisexuals vs pansexual is a horrible debate too, bisexual being binary attraction and pan being beyond binary should be a compromise

Alex C

I personally don’t like the term pansexual because in fact there are NOT a panorama of sexes. There are 2 biological sexes, and in rare cases intersex. Pansexual refers to an attraction to multiple genders, and gender is a distinct concept from biological sex, so they really should describe that differently and not fight with people who are bisexual.

nina

bi vs pan is not about either one of those, it is about transgender. and it is about making gender something in a person’s mind and that is kinda like having to respect a person’s religion when you are an atheist.

once you reject the idea that there is only one hetero way to be either gender, it is not hard to realize there are many ways to be. personality and character is not limited to sexuality/gender and for lesbians there is one word that includes both, given faggot was not reclaimed by gay men.

Alex C

Gender is a social construct and a personal issue. I don’t like when people misuse science and try to say that science proves anything about gender. It doesn’t. Science only proves biological sex, and shows there’s a spectrum of hormonal balances, brain chemistry and neurological patterns that usually correspond to one biological sex but don’t always, and many people (including me) exist somewhere on that spectrum. We’re just getting caught up in stupid labels with all this infighting about what is factual and what isn’t, and who is “woke” and who isn’t. The science is very clear.

nina

how gender is represented and expected is a cultural concept that does vary, but that people have a gender is biology. I agree – it is also like religion vs biology, when biology says nothing about religion, and anthropology puts religion in it’s cultural place.

academics, medical, legal and then average people understanding differs across jargon specific vs casual use of language – and then are the agenda activists.

MEANWHILE:

everyone is one person and not any or all others.

“all identities simultaneously” – anyone else wondering how self loathing is driving this?

The film depicts Wagemans making the prototype for a futuristic mask, a piece of hackable body equipment that would incorporate software and could conceptually queer the notion of identity. “The story Samuel created is about documenting the making of a mask that is a fictive hacked nano-tech transhuman prototype that connects a global network of queer people who reject the mainstream appetite for immortality, super-intelligence, and well-being,” she told Dazed. “An object that you could take off and allows any uncensored software to be installed like scrambled identity – becoming all identities simultaneously.”

https://www.dazeddigital.com/art-photography/article/52776/1/artist-esmay-wagemans-creates-technology-for-the-future-queer-bodyArtist Esmay Wagemans creates technology for the future queer body | DazedThe science fiction artist envisions how biotech and technological enhancements may further the cause of queer liberation, for Samuel Douek’s short film STONEWALL 2069www.dazeddigital.com

When will Gender Stop being a costume?

Particularly, when the gender being represented so poorly.

Given Ethnicity, particularly, when rendered slutty is understood as being a problem.

“yes but” is not the same as acknowledging and stopping the behaviour and not using the world as an excuse for lowest common denominator

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/06/misogyny-gay-men-sexist-rose-mcgowan-rights-womenYes there is misogyny among gay men – but our sexist world is the problem | Patrick Strudwick | The Guardian<strong>Patrick Strudwick: </strong>Rose McGowan is right that the gay rights movement has tended to ignore women. But sexism is everywhere – the bulk of the hate comes from heterosexualswww.theguardian.com

Drag is the misogyny problem, not drag has a problem.

Gay Men are not women who failed to hetero man

https://www.starobserver.com.au/news/national-news/does-drag-still-have-misogyny-problem/174405Does drag still have a misogyny problem? – Star ObserverIs drag misogynistic? The answer is yes, it can be, if queens aren’t being respectful of the women they’re trying to emulate.www.starobserver.com.au

Drag Queens are different in tone and intention than Drag Kings, which again, the gender is not a costume applies even when respectful and celebration of the performance of gender.

which leads to what does nonbinary drag look like?

maybe time for a cultural revolution in queerdom

or past time

certainly it is beyond time to stop genderizing traits as if there is only one way of either binary gender to be expressed.

not only to owing to the diversity of sexualities’, but also that individuals are not limited to demographic tropes and stereotypes.

When Drag Really Is

Gender Equality includes gender not being a costume in the same way ethnicity is not a costume – especially when the ones for women tend to the slatternly; and in the case of drag, toxic femininity rather than empowered

Gay Men, rejected from the heterosexual men’s club – the club that so excludes women that it has only been in recent centuries have women played women in theatre, and later radio, television and movies.

Heterosexual women eventually being legally citizens enough to vote across the western nations, with eventual access to post secondary education for professions, which eventually was the purpose of university rather than husband hunting.

from the early Suffragettes, many of whom where “spinsters” and frequently roommates. eh. to the 1970s, when equal pay for equal work and abortion resulted in more equality for some in some western nations

when The Personal is Political

in 2021, I read a group chat on a social media site

between a young queerling fan of the RuPaul Drag show

an older gay man expressed his discomfort with the having been slured by heteromen as being a woman

the younger queerling had dismissed my comment that drag was problematic and assured me that my opinion was respected,

I pointed out that I had not stated it. which I did the next day and repost here:

given women did not used to be allowed to perform, most of theatre has been drag – which is the core of the problem.

drag queens are toxic femininity , while drag king is a male celebration.. and then there is the drag/trans debate like bi being a phase and bi vs pan.

i think it is time to say gender is not a costume and not performative.

The older gay man:

Interesting. I was about to ask what you thought of drag king performances, but you already answered it. Wow most of theatre… You’re right. I had never made that connection.

and then me:

women have been excluded from the public square, education and professions.

the last thing we need is Dustin Hoffman in a dress telling us to be more like hetero men, who are the historic problem in every culture for hetero women and lgbtq2

The Tootsie Problem

i understand from a google search that drag now also includes furries and plants to non humanoid.

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