In which a Lesbian and a Gay Man discuss “women”

Gay Man posts:

Women are their own worse enemies than just men:
As long as women bash other women and men, there will be no equal rights for women.

It’s bad enough that men judge women and ridicule or mock them; but when other women do it, it’s a slap on the face in the worse manner ever. Women need to stand with their fellow women and say enough is enough.

So as a woman, would you support a woman who gets a raise more than you? Is more beautiful than you? Or a woman who wears clothing, that’s revealing? Who is your boss? A woman who wants to be a President or Prime Minister? If so, then why no women have been elected? When will women get their human rights? Never?

Time to grow up!

Lesbian replies:

not quite. women had centuries of no rights and our only life occupation was to attach to a man. women undermining women from the oppressed state and not empowering each other is not the same as male oppression. … victims who call out oppressors are not bashing. men, hetero men are still the main criminals, rapists murderer and oppressors – starting with other men and then women, so …
I am wondering what made you, as a gay man, call out women on the carpet so to speak?

Gay Man

Because women need support, if not from men, at least from women. If that’s even possible.

Lesbian

yes, I agree women do need to support women, and I am still wondering what inspired this post. women who compete for men rarely support each other…

the best thing men can do to support women is deal with the men who harm and harass women and not do the ‘but I am a good guy” who is a bystander seeking validation for nothing

women for women, do help and empower women.

Gay Man

Exactly. On Facebook, they made fun of me when I posted this. What’s wrong with people? Lol

Lesbian

and, women are not generally raping and murdering other women. so the threat from men is greater than the threat of other women, with rare exception.

well. in queerdom there is an issue because “transwomen” are telling lesbians we do not get a no to a date request without being debated, words redefined and name called. so that is rape culture and not what women do.

lesbians do not have penises nor do lesbians have sex with a person who has a penis. men need to understand the word no and that not everything is for or about them and their self image is their own and others are not required to validate that any more than respect religion

and it does not help that bisexual women are behaving in the same hetero male manner.

Gay Man

Can you rewight my post; maybe I wrote it wrong. You are way better at this than I am. ❤

Lesbian

the intention of what you wrote was there, but the emphasis of starting with women on women without the context of male on women first. I can rework that one paragraph – and I would like to put this on my blog.

I will work on this and get back to you with a paragraph

this morning when I woke my, I realized that the Ultimate Femist Joke is transwomen name calling lesbians for saying no.

gay man

You are the best. ❤💕

Later in the day

Lesbian

okay, the reason you had a bad reaction is that it is ambiguous which group of women you are saying should be supporting with the word woman being fought over as to type of word and what nuances are included

the chant of “biphobia, transphobia, sex work phobia and islamophobia” in one breath on the subject of lesbians and who lesbians date is word salad.

Islam is a religion that oppresses and genocides LGBTQ2 globally and oppresses heterosexual women.

Sex work is a human trafficking exploitation global problem and not a middle class internet side hustle; it is horrific child, teen and adult persons and primarily the female gender.

and as for “biphobia and transphobia” which are separate dating choices, which are sequenced in particular order for escalating degree by the fourth separate data claim is stupidifying and leaves one not knowing where to start to respond.

and to which has to be said, what kind of women tell other women, in particular lesbians, who they cannot refuse to date/have sex with, and reject a no with name calling, bulling, words being redefined in no relation to lesbian, and threats of career loss and exclusion from LGBT, on a matter of personal choice arising from preference which are not subject to human rights claims nor other people’s value judgements.

and brush aside the actual experience of women and tell lesbians that a penis is a vagina, when lesbians are the vagina experts of all women.

and same for some bisexuals who are not transphobic who are not pansexuals.

Dating consent is predicated on informed consent and being denied a no to a date is a violation of Lesbian human rights of freedom of choice and expression. real humans, of any demographics, do not support rape culture.

And, just as atheist’s do not have to revere or respect the content of the belief that religions are, no other person is required to override their own senses and beliefs in favor of a belief another person’s mind, such as transgender.

Nor date a bisexual who does not have the same sexuality as lesbian, and each person is able to decide on monogamy or poly, and how much compatibility there is and degree of difference will vary across indivudals, but generally lesbians are interested in lesbians.

lesbians get to be, the same way gay men get to be interested in other gay men

further, the murders by heteromen are not the fault or responsibility of lesbians or bisexuals or pansexuals, who are also at risk from that same demographic as well as transwomen unable to accept a no or respect that others have a right to a no.

The question to be asked is why are transwomen trying to date lesbians at all, when pansexuals and other trans exist? this is male fetishizing women and fixating on the women who are entitled to be repulsed by the male behaviour and genitals, and which dick behaviour is ignoring a no, name calling, debating, with transwomen sounding no different than hetero men who first claim all women are bisexual and the to be lesbians, to put a social context on textbook narcissism and gaslighting

– which is taking away rights and freedoms from lesbians under pressure by not lesbians and dividing lesbians between those who lesbian and those who do not want to be called names. supporting women does not mean excluding or silencing lesbians in public, in professions or personally

bathrooms and elevators are the most dangerous places and all women’s bathrooms were created for the safety of the most vulnerable, and while not all transwomen are dangerous predators, the ability of men to now claim woman status does in face allow heterosexual men to claim to be transwomen, which claim is a matter of internal image, which others do not have to share at their own senses, nor at public or women’s saftey.

there is that full explanation, or there is this:

Telling lesbians that a penis is a vagina, until you realize that lesbians are vagina experts.

gay man

I’m so bad at these women’s rights. I can’t even write a post or an article. I’m not an expert at conveying my thoughts as well as you. You are way better at it than I am.

lesbian

other people were projecting their own talking points at you Alex. I read what you wrote and saw all the interpretations. and this discussion is so toxic right now because transwomen are zerosumming and defining words and using false comparisons and behaving as incel versions of religious zealots.

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that lesbians are getting the brunt of the trans backlash is lost on bisexuals and gay men seem to be realizing as they are not under the date transmen, transmen continue to be deemed lesbians.

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so. you asked a lesbian which is the best thing to do to get good about women’s rights. because no man, whatever demographics or identy, gets to define womens rights.

lesbian

“cotton ceiling” is a pornography term for lesbian panties in shedick and shecock porn.. let that sink in.

only human rights require respect, dating not including for attempts to void human rights of lesbians, and women’s biology and experience, in the public and bizarrely the medical and therapy industry.

given, gives pause and concern that there may well be a reason to fear trans to disagreement with, whereas to be phobic of a group of people is what heterosexual men claim as a defence to murder.

Disinterest and not attracted to in the social or dating sphere, is not phobic.

nor is it bigotry, is it not attracted to.

plus consent requires informed. Trans status does have to be disclosed, given lesbians do not have penises, nor enjoy or seek sex with penises on any other person, regardless of self identity, which does not supercede the perception of others, who may reject any offer, not attracted and repulsed by, owing to both responses informing preferences. 

ignoring the clear preferences of others, and signs of not interested in eye contact or what you are saying as you are explaining why they do not get to know what gentials you are offering for sex as a hook up or as a date for is a sign of not into you, regardless of whatever you are.

telling others what words mean and that they are bigots is not the discussion that leads to consent for hook ups or dating, and is a clear and obvious pattern of language that should be understood as abusive to the person being told they do not have a no.

even if a person agrees to a date and agrees to sex, at any point, sex can be stopped and consent withdrawn.

even if the gentials are born female but especially for a born female with a born male partner who is sperm producing, owing to the sex having potenial consequences other than a one time sex or one time date.

pregancy, in an era where abortion rights are at high level court risk, for

women

a word once understood only has Heterosexual woman without that word needing to be said for woman for for man.

as wel as very legitimately, sexually transmitted diseases

never mind being for lesbians of all women, an unappealing, uninteresting and mostly revulsive genitals that there is an absolute no to put mouth, hands or own gentials against, and could not be further from lesbian sex to the degree that anyone who is unable to look online and see examples of, lesbians do not have penises nor sex with penises.

there is no feminist nor lesbian feminist theory that is derived from phallo centric, be it penis or she dick or she cock

i seriously do not want to risk wordpress turning those last two into links to images.

feminism is the theory that women are equal and lesbianism is the practice, because in couples/poly geometry we are. cunning linguists who do not zero sum.

being called names after saying no, validates the no, not the asker

social relationships, do the math.

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