From being called “transphobic bigots”, “hateful” and “Nazis” who should be “dragged out by our saggy tits”, to having our personal details published on social media and receiving rape and death threats, the supposedly progressive mainstream seemed to have slightly overreacted to the fact that a small group of lesbians were simply marching at Pride in London.
pansexual: a real orientation or avoiding being called transphobic?
now that the public knows transgender exist and that one does not have to be heterosexual so gay or lesbian is an option, as well as bisexuals.
post your thoughts, experience or preferred dictionary definitions below
because if so pansexual is ignoring one’s own preferences or not having any and is vauge attraction for exceptional individuals. that is not really an orientation, that is an open bedroomdoor policy.
and nonbinary is merely rejecting heteronormative roles as if lesbian, gay or bisexual do not exist to demonstrate there is not any one way to be a gender or express sexual orientation, and shifting to being persons. which, heterosexual women continue to not be in most legal systems or under religion.
Hetero men who name called when refused dates are bad behaviour and any women who denies lesbians or any person a no on a date – which is a personal choice, and not a human rights issue – is part of the problem of dating.
to each person preference of desire and to the choice of sexual selection and intimate relations
Lesbians helped heterowomen get reproductive and workplace rights and then they went off and enjoyed those… then there was AIDs….. and now… this:
However, our findings throw up several questions:
Who is on the wrong side of history when the GBT community operates a large-scale gaslighting of lesbians to accept the mantra that “trans women are women”; penises are deemed to be a female organ; and heterosexual intercourse is now redefined as a lesbian sexual practice? Who is on the wrong side of history when the GBT community uncritically supports a population of transwomen who identify as lesbians to coerce lesbians into having sex with transwomen against their will? Who is on the wrong side of history when lesbians’ sexual boundaries are disrespected and publicly demonised as hateful by the very charities whose purpose it is to defend them? Who are the GBT organisations protecting by refusing to engage with lesbians’ very serious concerns? Major gay, bisexual and trans organisations such as Stonewall and Pride in London should hang their heads in shame for ignoring our rights.
stop demanding dating as a condition of human rights support
that has to go both ways and to deny a no is to deny rights
lesbians do not expect their lesbian partners to be pregant and if the partner is a transwoman, it is very foolish to expect a lesbian to be sad she cannot get a transwoman pregnant. when the pregancy risk is the other way.
lesbian and gay sex is not procreative sex and that is part of it’s appeal and attraction.
Generational change is inevitable, healthy, and necessary to progress. What I am living through right now is a painful transitional moment in which some of those older lesbian institutions are still going strong, and seeking participation and funding, while a current generation of activists are distancing themselves from such events, or even demonstrating against them. Younger, queer activists were vocal in opposing the Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival; right-wing religious groups once eager to shut the festival down had moved on to bigger targets. This dynamic—a next generation of feminists attacking earlier lesbian institutions and disparaging their participants as less evolved—is not unique to the 21st century or the United States; it is embedded in Jill Gardiner’s powerful book From the Closet to the Screen, which describes a 1970–71 Gay Liberation Front “zap” against London’s Gateways Club bar. As this generational shift grinds on, how should the most recent decades of cultural production be interpreted, understood, and preserved? How will we use the tools of history to examine something we know existed as an investigable community?
sometimes bisexual is a portion of a woman’s life and she later lesbians and maybe call me then, see if I am available.
sometimes a person is attracted to a person because they are unclear on their own self and what they are attracted to, that personality of a sexuality and gender person.
so when bisexual women end up with men or are a phase but are not a phase. it is as exhausting as men who say they are women and then dress like women and surgically mutilate their bodies. still not women and do not define lesbian words.
i am attracted to vagina and not interested in a penis or a reverse penis hole that lacks a gspot or cervix and a woman around it.
meanwhile. bisexual and pan women and transwomen are able to date each other, without lesbians having to date outside of our group preference arising from our individual choices and preferences.
I am a lesbian, the word is gender and sexuality in one, seeking the same expression in another lesbian.
Lesbian erasure is the tendency to ignore, remove, falsify, or reexplain evidence of lesbian women or relationships in history, academia, the news media, and other primary sources.
Lesbians may also be ignored within the LGBT community and their identity may not be acknowledged
attraction to someone is not done by debate or framework
it is a physical response and an emotional reaction to the personality
lesbians have no reason to be made to feel that they have to date any person, trans or not and no one should deny anyone a no
I don’t like this modern trend in the community where some are calling others bigots or trsnsphobes for being attracted to just one set of genitals and not the other. I’m sorry, but we aren’t all pansexual or bisexual. Sexual attraction is not just about gender as many would have you believe. It’s also about biological sex and always has been, whether we like it or not. It isn’t fair to label someone a bigot or judge their character for their sexual attractions. Sexual attraction is NOT a choice and never has been. That is a fact that seems to be lost on more and more people in the community these days.
nina yes. exactly. people with a wider range of attraction do need to stop calling monosexuals bigots for gay or lesbian sexuality.
and there is no reason to be sorry or that canadian as to say it to soften the view you are legit able to hold and express. and that is legit on the face of it
and the idea of removing biology from understanding people is also very bizarre, especially given dating is sexual selection and not a human rights issue.
name calling just validates a no on dating, as it is a major red flag on what a relationship would be. Dating is about attraction to and is selecting for sexual activity and as such, is a personal choice that everyone has a yes or no on, without threat of name calling, assault, rape or murder. Being rejected as a date is not a human rights complaint.
Yeah, removing biology is a good way to put it. Some are 100% pan and 0% concerned with any biology or anatomy, and good for them, but we aren’t all like that. I can’t pretend to be pansexual to make that community happy, that would be like asking a straight person to pretend to be gay, and calling them a bigot for not being gay attracted. That’s absurd, and I hope this trend doesn’t stick or it will be very unhealthy for the community.
As a cis gay man I’ve always found the prospect of gay trans men interesting. I sometimes find myself attracted to trans men. Most that I’ve met in person seem to be interested in women though.
I do not use the term cis, it has too many problems with the sissy slur and copting from black culture sounding like sis and. your identity is in your world experience. not other people’s who need other words to make sense of themself.
it is hard to have a conference on women and exclude mensuration, abortion/pregnancy and, menopause as panels and discussion/information.
nor should anyone pretend to be attracted to who they are not or use a label to avoid being name called.
bisexuals vs pansexual is a horrible debate too, bisexual being binary attraction and pan being beyond binary should be a compromise
I personally don’t like the term pansexual because in fact there are NOT a panorama of sexes. There are 2 biological sexes, and in rare cases intersex. Pansexual refers to an attraction to multiple genders, and gender is a distinct concept from biological sex, so they really should describe that differently and not fight with people who are bisexual.
bi vs pan is not about either one of those, it is about transgender. and it is about making gender something in a person’s mind and that is kinda like having to respect a person’s religion when you are an atheist.
once you reject the idea that there is only one hetero way to be either gender, it is not hard to realize there are many ways to be. personality and character is not limited to sexuality/gender and for lesbians there is one word that includes both, given faggot was not reclaimed by gay men.
Gender is a social construct and a personal issue. I don’t like when people misuse science and try to say that science proves anything about gender. It doesn’t. Science only proves biological sex, and shows there’s a spectrum of hormonal balances, brain chemistry and neurological patterns that usually correspond to one biological sex but don’t always, and many people (including me) exist somewhere on that spectrum. We’re just getting caught up in stupid labels with all this infighting about what is factual and what isn’t, and who is “woke” and who isn’t. The science is very clear.
how gender is represented and expected is a cultural concept that does vary, but that people have a gender is biology. I agree – it is also like religion vs biology, when biology says nothing about religion, and anthropology puts religion in it’s cultural place.
academics, medical, legal and then average people understanding differs across jargon specific vs casual use of language – and then are the agenda activists.
everyone is one person and not any or all others.
“all identities simultaneously” – anyone else wondering how self loathing is driving this?
The film depicts Wagemans making the prototype for a futuristic mask, a piece of hackable body equipment that would incorporate software and could conceptually queer the notion of identity. “The story Samuel created is about documenting the making of a mask that is a fictive hacked nano-tech transhuman prototype that connects a global network of queer people who reject the mainstream appetite for immortality, super-intelligence, and well-being,” she told Dazed. “An object that you could take off and allows any uncensored software to be installed like scrambled identity – becoming all identities simultaneously.”
U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower signed the Civil Rights Act of 1960. Designed to deal with discriminatory practices in America’s segregated South, the act established federal inspection of voter registration rolls and introduced penalties for anyone who obstructed someone’s attempt to vote or register to vote.
Elton John‘s “Rocket Man” is released. It will reach #6 in the US and #2 in the UK. In 2004, it was ranked #242 on the list of Rolling Stone’s 500 Greatest Songs of All Time.
Whitney Houston performed on her first network TV special, Whitney Houston—This Is My Life, on ABC-TV. The show was produced by her own Nippy Inc. production company. Nippy was her childhood nickname.
Actress Marlene Dietrich died of kidney failure at age 90. (Witness for the Prosecution, The Blue Angel, Judgment at Nuremberg, Destry Rides Again, Around the World in Eighty Days, A Foreign Affair, Pittsburgh, Kismet, Desire, The Devil Is a Woman, Touch of Evil, Blonde Venus)/singer (Falling In Love Again)
The Guinness Hit Singles book listed “Bohemian Rhapsody” by Queen as the UK’s favorite single of all time, followed by “Imagine” by John Lennon, “Hey Jude” by The Beatles, “Dancing Queen” by ABBA and “Like A Prayer” by Madonna.
Cher returned to the stage at the Las Vegas Coliseum for the first of 200 planned shows, however only 78 of the them were performed.
The results of the evolution of western pop music, spanning from 1960 to 2010, was published in The Royal Society Open Science Journal. The scientists who looked at more than 17,000 songs found three music revolutions – in 1964, 1983 and 1991. In 1964 the invasion of British bands introduced a radical new rocky sound. Synthesisers, samplers and drum machines, drove a second major style shift in 1983. The third, in 1991, came about when rap and hip-hop went mainstream. The team also refuted claims that pop music was starting to sound the same.
for 2021 I would like bi, pan, omni and trans women to stop name calling lesbians and be allies and realize we have the human rights of choice of dates, as do you.
so do not behave like a hetero man and insult, neg, name call, word debate, speak for science, or compare genitals to census demographics while ignoring another person’s no. that is red flag for relationships, btw ,eh.
#Lest We Forget actually says so, when one’s view is dim of an entire demographic, being a bystander is part of the problem of why genocide, so #LestWeForget it is both illegal and socially unacceptable.
bigots’ are not the ones needing protection of the law, while vulnerable in the public square.
from the article:
Budapest/Berlin — A top aide to Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban called into question Germany’s democratic standards on Thursday after a German football club sacked a Hungarian coach for expressing anti-immigrant and anti-LGBT views.
“Expressing your opinion cannot be punished under the rule of law,” Orban’s chief of staff Gergely Gulyas told a press briefing. “I think this is outrageous. It is foremost Germany that has to answer whether it still upholds the rule of law.”
The 1990s was the Decade before 9/11 changed the sense of the world, before AIDS was a chronically manageable condition for parts of the world; and it changed the balance of the generational birth rate.
Generation X was the sandwich generation and the adult children of alcoholics, and we were a smaller at birth demographic and our numbers reduced further by AIDS.
For lesbians, it was the Post Butch Femme, we had worked with Heterosexual women from the 1960s and 1970s to achieve the legislated equal pay for equal work and with that, the ability to form our own credit rating not dependent on a father or husband to co-sign, and reproductive rights.
From the women’s movement, we shifted into AIDs support and caretaking as the gay men were the ones affording health care so the virus could be identified, being a slower killer than other viruses out of Africa in the era, with Ebola killing withing 24 hours usually and only in 2019 is there a vaccine for that.
We were no longer butch and femme mimicking heterosexuals, we were Dykes and we were getting things dyke done with respect to human rights across demographics.
In the 1990s, the Gay and Lesbian community presented to the mainstream a Just Like You, Just Happen to be Queer – we were Act Up, Queer Nation and Lesbian Avengers and fighting to serve in the Military and Marriage Equality at the same time.
In Canada, at the Supreme Court, it was Joshusa Birch who won the right for gays and lesbians to serve in the military, while Egan and Nesbitt won survivor benefits, Brian Mossop lead the way for Federal Government queer employees to have equal benefits and it was a group of couples who won marriage equality – not same sex marriage as the phrase in the media was to ensure the disgust reaction of the anal sex imagery or same gender marriage as the community tried to adjust for value judgement language, it was before the court and under the law – marriage equality in 2003.
From 1980 to 2004, Angles was the Vancouver queer paper – for most of it’s run “Gay and Lesbian” to a final era of “Lesbian Bisexual and Gay” to “LGBT” by 2004. with 2019, the Canadian term LGBTQ2 – adding Queer which is a comprehensive and inclusive word of all sexuality including asexual and Two Spirited, from the ingenious culture inclusive of transgender and nonbinary as genderfluidity to the spectrum of sexuality, what we are and what we are attracted to.
This blog and this presentation was prepared by Nina Tryggvason, former news editor, news and arts writer and photographer.
for a while the Toronto paper – Xtra, which began in the late 1970s and peaked in the early 1990s with Xtra in Toronto, Xtra West in Vancouver, Island Xtra on Vancovuer Island, Calgary Xtra in Albert and Capital Xtra in Ottawa is in this era. http://www.dailyxtra.com.
I left Angles and wrote for Xtra West for a short while.
and also, for an American Lesbian Magazine Girlfriends about the 1990s lesbian cancer scare that ended the Lesbian Chic of kd lang, Melissa Etheridge and Ellen coming out.
the 1990s was the era when the public found out about the Germany WW2 camps where the allies did not free everone, they left the queer prisoners in prison.
It was the decade of the end of the closet language, where it was the political that was personal. instead of in this era, when pronouns are personal; and talking points which had bullets are replaced with bullets and cars into crowds with protest signs are deemed speech issues rather than the crimes of the state or by the individual who confuses their religious viewpoint with the secualar law and fails to understand that rights are extended and not demanded, and are not to be denied when asserted, the right to exist trumps the right to complain that others do.
#Lest We Forget is an admonishment to not be a bystander.
Not inside the LGBTQ2 comunity or outside in the mainstream.
After all, we as a species continue to demonstrate, the minority needs protection because the majority cannot be trusted to be fair in the first place.